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A half-elf and a one-half-orc take a baby ...

How do you handle non-standard half breeds in your game?

Humans can successfully breed with both elves and orcs. They can also breed with Athasian Dwarves in Dark Lord's day and with dwarves in FR, though FR matings result in alpine dwarves.

Logically, elves, orcs, and sometimes dwarves tin all successfully breed. What are the powers of:

elf/orc
elf/half-elf (handled in 2e, just how do non-2e games handle information technology)
elf/half-orc
elf/dwarf (athas)
elf/dwarf (FR)
elf/ogre
elf/ogrillon
orc/one-half-orc
orc/one-half-elf
orc/dwarf (FR)
(orc/ogre is already handled in the rules, they produce ogrillon)
orc/ogrillon
half-elf/half-orc
half-elf/dwarf (athas)
half-elf/dwarf (FR)
one-half-elf/ogre
half-elf/ogrillon
half-orc/dwarf (FR)
half-orc/ogre
half-orc/ogrillon
dwarf/ogre
dwarf/ogrillon
ogre/ogrillon

Those are only the races that logically should be able to breed through established combinations. What near others? Can halflings breed with any other races? Gnomes? A halfling/gnome could be interesting.

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I believe that but humans can breed with the others. The demihumans are a special lot and their bloods and then alien that mixing them would be flammable.

Though imagine the metagamer's wet dream of an elf-dwarf mutliclassed Fighter/Cleric haha!

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Well, just because A + B can and B + C can, I don't call back in real-earth biology that automatically implies A + C can.

I like my worlds human-axial with express demis. I would avoid getting into almost all of those.

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Havent had 'breeding' come up up in whatsoever games I have been in or run.

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Theslo of Qualon wrote:I believe that merely humans can breed with the others. The demihumans are a special lot and their bloods so alien that mixing them would be flammable.

Though imagine the metagamer'south moisture dream of an elf-dwarf mutliclassed Fighter/Cleric haha!

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What would a Dwarf/Orc crossbreed exist called? An Orf- or a Dorc? :mrgreen:

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Recklessfireball wrote:What would a Dwarf/Orc crossbreed exist chosen? An Orf- or a Dorc? :mrgreen:

Co-ordinate to Midnight, a great setting along the lines of "LotR if Sauron won", they're called Dworgs. Of course, orcs in this setting were created past not-Sauron from dwarves, non elves.

Hmm, information technology really shouldn't exist also hard to convert Midnight to Advertisement&D, should information technology?

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I guess it might get to depict my take on Half-Elves in my campaign. Elves all left the Flanaess roughly five human being generations ago (476CY). The Half-Elves that lived in the Elven nations filled up the vacuum and subsumed rulership of many of the Elven Nations similar Celene. Since then, 100 years, more and more than Half-Elves ended up convenance with Humans creating Quarterlings and Eightlings. Even Sixteenthlings. All are mostly considered to be Half-Elves in my campaign, as anyone with fifty-fifty the smallest bit of Elven Blood is considered to be a Half-Elf. In that location, of course, is a pecking order amid these folk. But to most Humans (and the other Demihumans), a One-half-Elf is a a Half-Elf, no matter how much Elven Blood s/he might have.

One-half-Orcs are ninety% indistinguishable from ugly humans. I don't really half Half-Dwarves or Half-Ogres in my game. And Humans are the only race that can really cross-breed.

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In Strongholdlandia, E/2+ O/2 hybrid =man. Too much potential for munchinry otherwise. Humans are the baseline so things revert back to that.

Also, by the volume, E/2 + H = H. You need one full claret Elf parent to sire a Halfy.

Yous say that so frequently. Ane wonders upon what yous base your comparison.

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Theslo of Qualon wrote: Though imagine the metagamer's moisture dream of an elf-dwarf mutliclassed Fighter/Cleric haha!

Why terminate in that location? How nearly an elf/dwarf/gnome (hey, Gilgamesh was 3rds...) Fighter/Magic User/Cleric/Thief?

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You tin can almost have thirds. 32 great great grandfolks so effigy x could be gnome. 11 Elf, and xi something else (I don't allow the Dwarrow to interbreed as an homage to Tolkien).

Anyhow, with no existent bonuses over the E/2, the E/K/H/O child would be a mere oddity as a graphic symbol and shunned by simply about anybody

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Just because A and B mate with C does not mean and A and B can mate with each other.

Run across below on that. Of course that is a world/Dm pick merely from the based on the real earth camp no reason to allow whatever of them. On the fun army camp, dont forget the half horse, one-half zebra, half bird, etc of the man/monster hybrids

Ogre centaurs
Elven Centaurs (already be in Mystara) etc.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11298985

Some of course are purely cultural reasons (mate preference) but also their is a host of genetic factors, mammals accept build in "sheilds" to avoid genetic drift, and species besides far from this core wil not be able to produce off spring.

Also from Wikipedia:

Incompatibility acquired past microorganisms

In improver to the genetic causes of reproductive isolation between species in that location is another factor that can cause post zygotic isolation: the presence of microorganisms in the cytoplasm of certain species. The presence of these organisms in a species and their absenteeism in some other causes the non-viability of the corresponding hybrid. For example, in the semi-species of the group D. paulistorum the hybrid females are fertile only the males are sterile, this is due to the presence of a mycoplasma in the cytoplasm which alters spermatogenesis leading to sterility. It is interesting that incompatibility or isolation can also ascend at an intraspecific level. Populations of D. simulans have been studied that show hybrid sterility co-ordinate to the direction of the cross. The factor determining sterility has been institute to exist the presence or absence of a microorganism Wolbachia and the populations tolerance or susceptibility to these organisms. This inter population incompatibility can be eliminated in the laboratory through the administration of a specific antibody to impale the microorganism. Like situations are known in a number of insects, every bit around 15% of species evidence infections acquired by this symbiont. It has been suggested that, in some cases, the speciation procedure has taken place because of the incompatibility caused by this bacteria. Two wasp species Nasonia giraulti and North. longicornis comport two different strains of Wolbachia. Crosses between an infected population and one gratis from infection produces a nearly full reproductive isolation betwixt the semi-species. Nonetheless, if both species are free from the leaner or both are treated with antibiotics at that place is no reproductive barrier.[69][70] Wolbachia also induces incompatibility due to the weakness of the hybrids in populations of spider mites (Tetranychus urticae),[71] between Drosophila recens and D. subquinaria [72] and between species of Diabrotica (beetle) and Gryllus (cricket).[73]

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I have ever assumed that in general D&D races are distinct species and cannot interbreed full stop.

Humans and elves manage because magic.

Orcs and humans manage because orcs are corrupted humans... which gives me an intriguing penalisation for whatsoever human (PC or NPC) who truly goes above and beyond in evil...

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If you tin get a cross betwixt a lion and and eagle, or a bear and an owl, or a woman with snakes for hair, I call back anything is possible.

I once had someone play a Dorc in my game, simply it was brusque-lived :rimshot:

I've had Muls (dwarf-human) in Dark Sun. I haven't had whatsoever other combos I can retrieve of, though I've got a Half human half drow just using normal half-elf rules, he just looks a bit different.

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Justisaur wrote:If y'all can go a cross between a panthera leo and and eagle, or a deport and an owl, or a adult female with snakes for hair, I think annihilation is possible.

I once had someone play a Dorc in my game, but it was short-lived :rimshot:

I've had Muls (dwarf-man) in Dark Sun. I oasis't had whatsoever other combos I can call back of, though I've got a Half homo half drow but using normal half-elf rules, he just looks a bit unlike.

I take taken the more science based view, using Mendal'southward theories and see the demi-huamns as from the same mutual homo hablis ancestor (aka Ringworld):

https://world wide web.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=ch ... ilis+elves

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I solve this by saying they COULDN'T breed.

The only other example i know of is the Mul (half dwarf half human) from dark sun.

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Theslo of Qualon wrote:I believe that only humans can brood with the others. The demihumans are a special lot and their bloods and then conflicting that mixing them would be combustible.

Though imagine the metagamer's wet dream of an elf-dwarf mutliclassed Fighter/Cleric haha!

I had a elf-dwarf fighter/MU - he was 20th/19th. Information technology was in 1983 - in a game designed for very-high-level characters (nosotros encountered things like ancient huge red dragons who were triple-classed [such as fighter/cleric/assassins, all three classes in the teens in levels], several such dragons at a time - nosotros besides attacked a Githyanki fortress on the Astral plane).

They were non built-in, however - the DM had two PCs that had been part of a very-high-level (multiclassed xx+ levels in each) party that had establish an hush-hush complex that had been flooded with a magic fluid centuries before - they tuckered off the fluid, and found a vault with thousands of ping-pong assurance that had been inverse into eggs by the fluid.

The PCs decided to hatch the eggs - our PCs were some of the "hatchlings", raised past those other PCs and taught various classes. All the PCs rolled their characteristics by the "roll 2d6+12 six times, arrange as desired" method (aye, stats in the 20s were mutual).

All this is to say that such extreme magical intervention is the just manner I can see such hybrids coming into existence - there is a reason why ALL of the one-half-brood races in pre-WotC D&D/AD&D are half-human and half something else - merely humans are capable of producing offspring with another "race" (actually, species or genus would exist a meliorate term to use) without heavy magic being involved - wish spells are the minimum power-level required for success.

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A half-elf and a half-orc take a baby...

I am VERY disappointed in this Half Orc's lack of standards...

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Oh, yes, magic can permit all sorts of weird halfbreeds. But that requires high level magic, which is both rare, and rarely used for such mundane pursuits as breeding, especially breeding munchkin PCs.

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IluvHalfOrcs wrote:A half-elf and a one-half-orc accept a baby...

I am VERY disappointed in this Half Orc's lack of standards...

Also the kid would probably be named something like Celebrimorg or Elropoop.

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I think if players playing one-half-breeds wanted to beginning convenance with other half breeds, its time for me to find new players...

otherwise monglemen sort of cover all the 'mixed' races in the btb method, and in my games other than humans to orcs, humans to elves, in that location isn't any other races that can create offspring

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mordrin wrote:Well, simply because A + B can and B + C can, I don't think in real-world biology that automatically implies A + C can.

I similar my worlds human being-centric with limited demis. I would avert getting into almost all of those.

Elves and orcs are not interfertile, though both are interfertile with humans, as per MM.

All offsprings of human and nonhuman are half-human, so elf & orc genes must be distributed throughout genome.
Therefore one/2e and 1/2o are non interfertile.